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This is a fantastic post. I'll have to check out that report.

Richard, the ax is falling at a lot of universities. There surely are some underperforming programs which can be cut with little impact on the university as a whole, though I happen to teach in one that many people think is expendable, and I hate to see any line of inquiry cut because of funding.

But when I read your recommendations to "supersize" Midwestern universities, I wondered if you forgot that the diversity and physical proximity of a wide array of talent is the real strength of a university. Consolidating departments at one campus would undermine the integrity of entire institutions. Would business majors at Northwestern have no opportunity to study music? Worse yet, someone at Illinois studying computing have nothing, or next to nothing available in anything related to materials science?

The interdisciplinary structure of a university is what creates knowledge. Having one enormous school of anything at a single university would leave others impoverished for that knowledge. Besides, I would think that managing it would be near impossible.

Are there any major institutions that currently do what you are suggesting?

I think there's some logic in your thinking and it might play a role, especially since core disciplines can be related. Film, obviously relates well to music, and literature. However cross pollination is critical and hard to predict and control. Pittsburgh is finding a weird niche in event lighting technologies and musical robots.

Even more important is cross pollination between universities themselves and the wider world. It seems there's a very strong link between a university's value and where it's located-- and by the way it's a lot cheaper. NYU, is by far the most applied to school now and yet it's got a pretty wack set of facilities, no fancy campus and no major sports programs. Clearly, the selling point is the city itself. Almost all, NY schools work that way and even those that once were more campus oriented and cloistered like Fordham and ST Johns have put satellite buildings in the city. For profit colleges like the Art Institutes always work like that because they have no intention of spending/wasting big bucks on useless amenities, a viable city provides for free.

Norman, Oklahoma; Lawrence, Kansas; State College, PA; Bloomington, Indiana? What's the logic here? Either these places must scale up and become big cities or the bulk of their schools should be broken up and sited in the most logical urban area--preferably mixed in to the city.

I can see the advantages of this idea, but you'd have to come up with some cost-sharing arrangement. If you combine all the Big 10 CS programs at Illinois, that's going to hurt a bright student in Indiana who wants to study computer science but can't afford out of state tuition.

That said, living in Indiana I've thought for awhile that Purdue and IU should think more about how to combine programs. Both schools have a good CS program, but if they combined the best faculty from both schools in a unified program at IUPUI they'd have a great one.

Ckloote is right that new financial arrangements are necessary. John Austin at Brookings has suggested reciprocal in-state tuition rates at all Midwestern universities. Some cost-sharing would have to be worked out. In-state tuitions are based on the idea that each state university can provide everything that students from that state need. As universities cooperate or merge programs across state lines, they will become more Midwestern schools, not so much state schools, and their financing must change accordingly. As we've pointed out, this is already happening. States now provide only a sliver of the financing for the universities that bear their name. Universities are having to look elsewhere for financing, and focusing their efforts on the disciplines they do best is one way to achieve this.

Don't the schools in the Southeast have reciprocal in-state tuition if no schools in your state offer a program in what you want to study?

While I would agree with the gist of your column, I would point out that the study of certain foreign languages (such as Mandarin-- esp. Mandarin, actually, but also perhaps Urdu, Farsi, Arabic, and Russian) and cultures are essential to maintaining American national security footing in terms of intelligence gathering and formulating geopolitical strategies.

Bcbloke gets no argument from me on the importance of foreign languages or the obligation of Midwestern universities to teach these languages -- not only Mandarin but Urdu, various Turkic languages, Swahili, etc. -- and for the reasons he cites. But these languages must be taught as well as possible, and not every college or university can do this. Iowa, for instance, does a good job teaching Spanish and Portuguese, but a bad job teaching German. It can invest money in improving its German program (money that could be better used to teach, say, Farsi) or it can shut down its German program and encourage young Iowa Germanophiles to go to some other university that shines in the Teutonic tongues. At the same time, fledgling Portuguese speakers from other Midwestern states will find their way to Iowa City, where they belong. The point is to teach as many students to speak other languages well, not to provide full employment in every university for teachers of each and every language. As another commenter noted, this sharing of strengths will require Midwestern universities to offer in-state tuition to students from other states. Fair enough. As universities begin to merge programs, the current balkanization of Midwestern universities into state-based fiefdoms will have to break down.

I guess my point about moving more college assets into cities didn't interest anyone. I'm not surprised since this region is famous for the Big Ten/ Big Twelve mega college in a corn field.

On the face of it, it looks pretty weird.

Here's a quote from a recentl college graduate blogger in Cleveland.

"Every year US News & World Report releases their rankings of "best colleges". When I was a senior in high school, people memorized this list; they could tell you where any school landed. College counselors encouraged us to shoot for the top. What almost no one told us was to think about colleges geographically. Sure, many teenagers want to go to college "far away from home" to get away from their parents or live in a warmer climate; but that's more of an "anywhere but here" approach than anything else. Colleges in urban centers inherently offer access to now crucial internships at companies in those cities, regardless of how they shake out on the ranking lists. Colleges in rural areas and some suburbs simply do not, leaving their students to duke it out for overly competitive summer internships. As a college senior, it's frustrating to hear corporate recruiters admit that they any shred resume with an out-of-town address on it. Many college graduates look forward to relocating, often to a big city; but if you aren't already in one, you're not doing yourself any favors."

http://blog.robpitingolo.org/

If the midwest is to have a future it will start in it's cities. Colleges must become relevant integrated institutions again.

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